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very good morning. i'm in for chris jansing today. mitt romney chose a favorite place to roll out, his al a mater. >> the president is talking about medicare today. we want this debate. we need this debate and we will win this debate. >> and ryan's talking to another
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college crowd again today. ron mott is in north canton, ohio, where ron will speak at any time. >> reporter: good morning oh, richard. already this crowd is more enthusiastic. today he's supposed to talk about trade which is part of mitt romney's five-point plan for building a stronger middle class. you can see they are about to make the introduction in just a bit. but what he's probably going to touch on is medicare. he brought that issue up yesterday. democrats try to make a lot of hay out of the fact that they split off. democrats say that perhaps he's afraid to confront seniors over his plan for medicare. the campaign pushed back and said that's nonsense. he's scheduled to be in florida on saturday. but here's what he also had to say about what president obama is talking about medicare, things that he's not telling voter. listen. >> what i don't think he'll be
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telling people is that the president took $716 billion from the medicare program, he raided it to pay for obama care. the president's campaign says that this raid of medicare to pay for obama care, which leaves to fewer services for current seniors is an achievement. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obama care is an achievement? >> no. >> well, neither do i. >> reporter: all right. so we do suspect that congressman ryan might touch on medicare again but the campaign says he want to talk about trade and how to bring jobs back to america, particularly back in ohio. unemployment below the national average at 7.2%. a tick higher. back to you. >> of course, that statement made by ryan is something that he supported in his version and budget plan as well.
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ron mott, live with paul ryan, thank you very much. the candidates are not just battle it out in ohio. it's a battle over whether to reinstate early voting for the three days before election day in that state. and there's another fight over whether to extend voting hours as well. i want to bring in ohio secretary of state john hughsted. thank you for being with me, mr. secretary. >> thank you very much. >> you said that you would extend the early voting hours for two weeks leading up to the election until 7:00 p.m. originally it was 5:00 p.m. why did you make that decision yesterday? >> well, ohio usually sets their standards county to county. that had become controversial because some counties that tended to lead republican were extending hours were counties
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were not able to do that. that was a controversy we didn't need. i have been a champion of uniformity. i thought it was important that we set that standard very early and it's easy to vote in ohio. it's secure to vote in ohio. for the first time ever, every single voter will receive an absentee ballot request. and you really have 750 hours to vote in ohio without ever leaving your home. >> so 35 days -- you're saying they have 35 full days to vote. 6.8 absentee votes. but the one thing you decided, no one can vote on the weekends. 21 counties plan to have early voting hours on weekends as well. why would you limit that? >> well, most counties have not traditionally voted on weekends. the boards of elections are closed those days. in a conversation that i had with boards all around the state, i asked the question,
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would you rather have extended votes during the weekends? they preferred to have them on weekdays opened until 7:00 at night so folks after work can come down to the board of elections. >> those who work two or three jobs, it's been a difficult economy for many different groups to cut off weekends would therefore caught off their ability to vote when they can. on top of that -- hang on. one second. there were counties who said, hey, we have budgeted the money for weekend voting. why not let those specific counties make the decision on their own. >> well, most of the counties did not -- well, that was the -- the democrats didn't want us to have counties making their own decisions about voting hours. that was the controversy. it's not really been about the extended voting hours in ohio. it's been about nonunion voting hours. and so what i stepped in to do
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was to create fairness. and whether you're a democrat or a republican or whatever your political strength is, that you're going to be voting by the same set of rules in all 88 counties and frankly that's the first time it's ever happened. >> why not make it standard so weekends are included? >> you're never going to make anyone happy on this one in terms of consensus when we're less -- you know, slightly over 80 days before elections. i have critics that say it's shorter, some that say it's for longer. my goal is to make it fair, based on the best analysis that could i come up with across the state. and frankly -- but, please, on a bipartisan basis, we heard support from the elections officials association over the decision i made yesterday. >> mr. secretary, all of those points being made, there's those three days right before the election also that at this point are not going to be open to voters, to early in-person
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voting. and when they look at all of this put together, they can't also understand that a majority of the voters, as you look back in 2008, the black voters, rather, they cast 56% of all of the early in-person ballots that, according to the columbus dispatch. the per accepting can can become very difficult and people might say this is disproportionately affecting minorities. >> well, let's understand, those last three days, that's out of my hands. that's in state law. that's been changed. we've been operating under those rules. >> what's your view? should they be open? >> look, they can be open part of that time. here's the issue. we have a very expansive voting period. they need time to synchronize the voting rules so when they take the books out to the polls, they know everybody who's voted early, everybody that's requested an early ballot so you can't vote twice.
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they need some time over that last three days to synchronize those rules, whether it should be three days, two days, one day. that's opened for debate. the legislature needs to settle that issue. that's where it should lie. but right now we have the same standards for every county for every voter in the state and that's the principle that we were trying to take care of yesterday. >> busy days ahead. ohio secretary of state jon husted saying that he would be open to opening that three days before election date. i want to bring in perry and casey hunt, national political reporter for the a.p. perry, what's your thought on what was said there by the secretary of state in ohio? >> he's definitely bowed to the pressure. you saw in the last few days the notion that some counties will have longer voting periods than other counties. we knew that they were having longer voting periods than democratic counties.
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you can tell in the interview, richard, when you press him on it, he's also open to changing the early vote period. >> you know, casey, those who are opposed to the current policy are saying, this is a clear -- i'll go to the new york times editorial board -- they slammed the secretary there saying this is sleazy politics behind the disparity is obvious. >> well, democrats were pushing to have the hours opened on the weekend and some of the trouble that the secretary got himself in political and more about than just the uniformity of hours as we've seen some folks pushing. >> perry and kasie, senator john
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mccain took this shot yesterday on that. take a listen to this and i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> i think he might be wise to do that but that's not going to happen, obviously, for a whole variety of reasons, including the fact, i'm not sure if i were hillary clinton i'd want to be on that team. >> so it comes after biden's controversial choice of words "in chains." the campaign almost laughed off mccain's words during "morning joe." listen to this. >> far be it to me to denograte. >> they even said the likelihood of this happen is like zero. sarah palin starting this up again. any chance that this might happen? >> well, you've seen mccain over the years, the last four years being a bit careful about the
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biden choice portrayed back in 2008 as a better choice than the one he made with sarah palin and she, of course, is the one who started this, pushed to say that clinton should be on the ticket than biden. chicago is concerned, in part, out how they handle joe biden on the campaign trail. he continues to come up with the issues or statements that turn into distractions, things that they have to deal with. biden items, if you will. they have been careful to control how the press interacts with him over the course of the last few days. >> right. and perry, the president has to defend him, saying that this whole thing with the chains that we were just talking about got blown up. he told "people" magazine, quote, ohio biden has been an outstanding vice president. he's passionate about what is happening in the middle class families." and he also went on to say, that i'll be talking about him about the whole campaign generally. perry, what's the thought?
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net, net, is biden an asset or a liability? >> never a good thing when the president has to defend the vice president in "people" magazine. that's not great. in general, i mean, think about how many questions romney is having to take about the paul ryan budget and paul ryan's plan. my sense is that biden not really a big factor at all. probably no net either way. but rather palin in '08 was a net negative and it's hard to see paul ryan in the positive either. that's how i would frame those choices. >> since you brought up the biden and ryan matchup, do you think he has to exercise a different muscle here? >> it's definitely going to be a different aspiring match. years and years of experience in
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washington. at the end of the day, it's going to be with obama and romney. this is at the top of the ticket. the romney folks are right when they say that romney is going to be running on the romney plan. at the end of the day, it's about these two guys at the top. >> kasie, thank you so much. perry, thank you. take a look at this. an estimated 11,000 people cramming chicago's navy pier yesterday in neat lines, as you can see there, for help to apply to the new program that allows eligible undocumented immigrants to temporarily avoid deportation. meanwhile, in arizona, governor january brewer hsays she's just clarifying state law which denies taxpayer funded benefits and state i.d.s to undocumented immigrants. at purina one,
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we're following breaking news right now coming out of louisiana. two deputies have been killed and two others seriously hurt after a big shot in st. john's the baptist parish. police are not releasing any detail. a s.w.a.t. team and louisiana state police are searching for suspects and police say one person is in custody. we'll continue to keep you updated throughout the morning here on msnbc. former democrat-turned republican davis is piling on vice president biden. davis, who will speak at the gop convention, says that the comment about putting people in chains was insulting to
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african-americans. davis says he should be embarrassed about those comments. some are calling it the nastiest campaign ever. they write that there is a sense that all restraint are gone and no incentive for anyone to hold back. author of the soon-to-be released story, what's the matter with white people, joe, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> what's your response on what archer davis said? >> it's per post rouse. first of all, every four years we hear it's the nastiest campaign ever, oechlt, my god, and in particular this round of attacks on joe biden is so false. we've had a campaign where newt gingrich talked about our president's kenyan colonial mind set and called him the food
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stamp president. we've had donald trump be the big man on campus for the entire campaign, endorsing, embracing mitt romney and he is a crazy birther, always insulting. >> in the last two years. you can see this before. >> sure. specifically, the way that this president was treated and now vice president biden says one thing that they find objectionable, i would defend his remarks. there's one thing and suddenly, everyone, calling it the nastiest campaign ever. he says himself the word that he was looking for was shackled and the words that republicans are using are unshackle the free market, unshackle the banks and what he wanted to say was, if they do that, they are going to shackle you. shackles, chains, whatever, i don't accept that it was mainly a very awful reference to
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slavery. there are many chains and shackle. most people have had a period in their history where they've been shackled and we've had i don't think that's where he was going. i think it's great he's not apologizing, frankly. >> talking about vice presidents paul ryan being chosen by mitt romney, you had said in a recent interview that the gop has double -- and i quote you -- on whiteness. what do you mean? >> they are white and withiter the team. i think the republican party has a problem. right now, 89% of the republican voters are white. that is a tough row to hoe in a
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future. they could have gone with marco rubio, risky choice in some ways but a choice that talks about the future, a choice that we can't be 90% in a party that is diversifying this rapidly. we're going to take this chance. instead, the chance that they took was paul ryan who is about as white-bred as paul ryan. part of why i wrote my book is paul ryan is the sort of person considered the white working class representative. >> right. >> he's a well to do kid in janesville. he's never spent a day in working class in his life. but he's middle class in comparison to mitt romney. i'm a working class catholic, at least my family is. they all come from well-to-do families. i think the only thing that you have to do to be a spokesman for the white working class is be
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white. >> does that then say that this election is going to be about the white working class? >> i think the white working class is going to be critical and they do not vote for obama, although he got a larger share of the white vote, i have to say, than either john kerry or bill clinton or michael dukakis. he actually managed to pull more of the white working class. >> ohio specifically, right? >> he won the working class in ohio. people forget about that. in 2010, the white working class went more -- went back to the republicans. and there's a great debate among democrats as to why that is. is it racism or is it that they were disappointed in the economic change didn't happen as fast as they wanted? so i've been really encouraged by the way the president is talking about the economy and talking about economic populism. >> is that the investment being made right now in iowa? in ohio we have to get the working class vote? >> yes, that we have a shot at
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it, we can go back to 2008 and see what we did then. there were points in 2011 where obama strategists were looking at -- openly talking about winning in ohio and i was like, oh, my god, what are they doing? nobody has ever done that? so i'm encouraged by the message of economic populism, the message that we're all in this together, that we're going to rebuild the middle class together that i think has a shot at bringing back some of the so-called reagan democrats to the obama coalition. >> we have just scratched the surface of your book, at least from my understanding, and i haven't read the entire book because it's not out yet. joan walsh, thank you for being here. hopefully we'll have you back here when it's formally released. >> i love that. julian assuage assange and sparking demonstrations and
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>> pork chop and beer. >> he's so pleased with himself. >> hey, fried twinkies are good, too. condoleezza rice is part of rice is part of an ad campaign for the nfl. the 57-year-old is famously a huge football fan. both the obama and romney campaigns have called a truce for september 11th, promising not to run any negative ads. ann romney pushes back over the calls for the production of more tax returns. >> the more release we get attacked, the more we get questioned, the more we get pushed. so we've done what is legally required. there's going to be no more tax releases. >> that full interview tonight
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preventive care coverage. that's the romney plan right now. >> all right. >> so we should have a debate but it should be an honest debate. >> joining me now, rick tyler, former gingrich spokesperson and doug thornell. good day to both of you. thank you for joining me. this is the likeability ratings between the two candidates. president obama, 41% to 28. when we look at the rhetoric, is this the romney campaign going after that obama strength, that issue of likeability? >> it certainly could be and it suggests that romney using hate and hatred indicates that there must be some polling that they find the president more dim mis
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divisive. any time they talk about the character of his campaign, they are off the message. this is a campaign about two choices, between free market and government control. we don't talk about that. we've cut $700 million from medicare, that's the president's plan. in his defense, he thinks that obama care will take care of that. the equal $700 billion in medicare cuts go to the private sector. that's really the debate we should having, a debate about more government controls or moving towards market solutions that every person likes and every senior likes. the reason cruises are so affordable, they have choices. >> rick, you believe they are off message right now. doug, they make these attacks at the obama campaign. are they going after likeability because they figure it offsets
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the other arguments that romney has made for once about the economy? >> to one thing that rick said, this argument about medicare is amusing to me because this is a party, republicans who are now defending government-run health care. that seems so inconsistent intellectually with their party. mitt romney, the reason he is having problems with likeability, he has flip-flopped on so many issues over the past year and a half and people in the middle class don't believe that he stands for them. i think they are trying to close the gap by calling the president angry and full of hate. that's ridiculous. you have people on the republican party who have been questioning the president, where he's from, wanting to see his transcripts, basically saying he is unamerican. >> how important will it become november 6th? >> ultimately you want a president who you believe stands for you, your family, and not someone looking out for millionaires and billionaires
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and special interest. and i think it's very important. >> rick, i'm going to play this from paul ryan who was noting earlier -- we heard from paul ryan and he used the "m" word. take a listen. >> take a look at your paycheck next time. look on that line in your paycheck that shows your payroll taxes. you see, our payroll taxes from our paychecks are supposed to go to two programs, social security and medicare, period. now, because of president obama, they are also going to pay for obama care. >> so, rick, kind of to your point here, as this gets into the political meat grinder as we talk about medicare and parse is it in different ways, does this confuse voters more? >> well, the consultants seem to think so but paul ryan is perfectly capable.
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voters like the free market and free market means lower costs, more choices, higher quality and greater convenience. it's led to less convenience, higher costs. all of the scoring that david axelrod talks about, the reason it's rising costs is because of the government control. the likeability towards relatability. barack obama who has never had a real job and has never provided a job and grew up outside the united states, i'm sorry, he did. that's true. he hadn't been to the lower 48 until he went to high school. somehow he got into high school and harvard with no merit. somehow he's more relatable than mitt romney. i don't get that. >> maybe you should stay off the right-wing conservative websites. that's just crazy. >> nice try. try substance. >> the fact of the matter is, the republicans know they are as
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porcelain doll and that's why they are trying to bring barack obama down on likeability. it's who you stand with. do you stand with the middle class or millionaires and billionaires. >> doug, rick, thank you both. >> thank you. we're following breaking news right now. seven u.s. soldiers have been killed in a helicopter crash in afghanistan and the taliban say it was no accident. what's the latest there? >> reporter: richard, the u.s. officials are saying that seven americans as well as four afghans were killed, including three afghan soldiers and an afghan interpreter when their black hawk helicopter went down in kandahar province this morning. they can't confirm if it was shot down or went down because of a mechanical failure. the taliban, as you mentioned, have claimed responsibility for the crash. they say they shot it down and they actually had that information three hours before
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the u.s. released to the media that the helicopter went down and the americans and afghans were killed. richard? >> atia abawi, thank you. dallas county will begin aerial spraying to kill moss keith toe mosquitos. >> reporter: this is a pretty significant outbreak. in the lone star state alone, 450 people infected and 17 deaths. where i am in dallas, it's really the epicenter of the outbreak. tonight they are going to be doing something here that they haven't done since the 1960s and that's aerial spraying of dallas and some of the northern suburbs. we know that west nile is transmitted by mosquitos to humans but it's actually carried in birds. and because we've had a mild
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state in the lone star state and a lot of rain in the spring, it's made a perfect breeding ground for the mosquitos. the cdc cautions that while we need to be concerned about this, only one out of every 150 people who are infected with west nile will develop an illness. of course, you can wear long sleeves and put repellant on and, again, they will be doing spraying here in dallas tonight. richard, that's the latest from here. now back to you. >> janet, thank you so much for that. bill gates and the high-tech toilet of tomorrow. mandy drury is here. i'm going to try to stay away from all of the potty jokes. tell us about this competition. >> okay. well, bill gates, it seems, richard, is really passionate about reinventing the toilet. so a team of researchers at university colorado, boulder, are among the winners of a bill and melinda gates competition to
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reinvent toilet for people around the world that don't have access to modern sanitation. $780,000 is awarded for their toilet concept. it uses sunlight to disinfect and decompose toilet waste and produces bio charcoal. it's a natural alternative to some of the chemical fertilizers often used for reuse in farm soils. now, apparently the gates foundation is going to fund this project over 16 months and there are all kinds of wonderful concepts out there. so what i say is hats off to bill. >> hats off. >> yes, bill and melinda, hats off. >> i hope the real ones are not see-through like the one in that picture. that would not be nice. let's switch huge gears here. you have something for all of the ladies out there? >> yes. david beckham is back in the underwear campaign launching today. he's launching -- or rather i should say advancing his body wear with h and m.
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the ads are going to coincide with a statue stunt with a larger than life beckham going up in new york and san francisco. the formula for the body wear line is, guess what, largely about his personal preferences that he says are all about comfort and fit. >> toilets and underwear today. mandy drury, always fun. thank you. by now you've probably heard that the winning powerball ticket was sold in michigan. it was the third largest in powerball history. also, the seventh largest in u.s. history. it was sold in michigan and so far we do not know who the winner was. the winner could take home a $241 million lump sum. juicy brats grilled up on a thursday.
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good news. over the past 20 years the number of children with high cholesterol has gone down while the levels of good cholesterol went up. screening at risk children is vital to the decline, although researchers still stress that one in ten children still have high cholesterol. well, president obama and mitt romney may be close in the poll but it's no contest when it comes to the digital campaign. the president, for instance, has a big advantage, posting almost four times as much content as a romney campaign. check twitter, for example, the obama campaign send out an average of 29 tweets a day and that compared to the romney campaign about once a day. this is not that static but that's one of the comparisons. on youtube, team obama posted twice as many videos as team
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romney. same for blog entries that you can see here for the obama campaign. but on facebook, way over here, ro romney campaign has a slight edge there. what does this mean when you look at the statics? >> let's bring in social media magazine. good to see you, by the way. >> good to be here, as always. >> some of the numbers are more prolific for the obama campaign. >> well, i cannot state this enough. obama is using social media. while we talk about all of the different demographics. obama is doing better than romney but he's not doing well enough. i'm a little bit disappointed. >> mitt romney's digital director does not believe that posting more is better. it's not necessarily quantity. while the president has nearly 28 million likes or 27.8 million
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likes, they are looking at how many people are interacting with the posts. how significant are these differences? >> that is very significant. you can see with all of the mediums is that they are not really engaging with people who are not interested in seeing their message. >> so this means that romney is doing a good job of interacting matters? >> yes. >> what people are interacting the most on are on immigration and health care. >> talk about that, why it's more important with social media. >> when i say i'm going to be on msnbc at such and such a time, i'm telling everybody who is interested in me that i'm going to be on but i'm not answering any questions that they might have, what are you going to talk about. when you engage with people one on one with social media, that's when it works and is most impactful. >> the pugh analysis found that
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nearly campaign was talking about the social aspect. number of retweets. the obama campaign, about 12, right? about one for the romney campaign. >> yeah. and the one, by the way, is josh. that's their one retweet of the obama campaign. they are not retweeting. they are saying, they are not listening to what people are saying to them. if they were, they would be sending out that same exact message. instead, they are only doing their own messages. >> pugh also did this. michelle obama's father's day message to her husband, viewed more than -- this is it right here. more than 200,000 times in the two weeks analyzed by pugh. what kind of video like this that we're watching here do? >> well, videos like that, they are emotional. they let you get to know the candidate in a different way. we all want to know who these men are and that's whether a video like that does and that's why a video like that gets so many views. >> the amazing thing about
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social media is this whole idea of one to one. who is taking advantage of this one to one? i can talk to a voter. i can put them in nice, neat segments and reach out to them? >> well, if you go to their websites -- and both candidates do this. everything in all of their social media directs back to their websites. if you go to the obama website, there's 16 different ways that they have cut off the demographics. if you go to romney, he's up to eight now. obama's clearly ahead in that category also. >> in terms of fully taking advantage of social media, we are a couple generations away when it comes to this application, right? >> i would make the prediction that we're one election away and i would also make the prediction whoever does this best wins this particular election. >> okay. eric, certainly different than 2008 already. >> absolutely. >> all right. thank you for your time. today's tweet of the day says, both campaigns have seemed super unfolk focused this week
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i'm thomas roberts. topping the agenda, we start with breaking news from afghanistan where seven american soldiers have been killed. they were killed when their helicopter crashed in kandahar, the province there. this is located in southern afghanistan and has been a hot bed of activity over the last decade. jim joins me now. what do we know? >> it's believed that they were on a special operations mission when the seven american soldiers and four afghans who were also on that black hawk helicopter went down in southern afghanistan. it was during daylight hours. now, the crash itself is under -- by the way, all 11 on board were killed. this, by all accounts, was a horrific crash. the helicopter totally destroyed. the investigation is under way now to determine exactly what the cause was and u.s. military officials are not ruling out the

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